傻瓜就是傻瓜，看看涂油礼在今日教会中的情况

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:02

傻瓜们有了问题不是去学习，而是不断地重复这些问题。关于雅各书5章14节。其实圣经里写得很清楚了。
14Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

看清楚了，是充满信心的祈祷拯救了病人。那么为什么要涂油呢？
涂油又称为受膏，是用芳香的油、奶、水、融化的黄油或其他物体，倾倒或涂抹，为许多宗教和种族所采用。人和事物受膏，标志其引入了神圣的能力，灵或神，也可被视为使人或事物摆脱魔鬼（波斯语 drug，希腊语 κηρες, 亚美尼亚语dev）危险的影响（引起疾病）的一种精神方式。
可以看出，油并不是直接的治病，而是作为祈祷的辅助。

那么，是不是现在教会都像某些傻瓜所说的不再涂油了呢，且看各个教会的情况。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:04

Roman Catholic Church（罗马天主教会）

An extensive account of the teaching of the Catholic Church on Anointing of the Sick is given in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1499–1532.

Anointing of the Sick is one of the seven Sacraments, and is associated not only with bodily healing but with forgiveness of sins. Only priests can administer it,[12] and "any priest may carry the holy oil with him, so that in a case of necessity he can administer the sacrament of anointing of the sick."[13]

The Catholic Church sees the effects of the sacrament as follows. As the sacrament of Marriage gives grace for the married state, the sacrament of Anointing of the Sick gives grace for the state into which people enter through sickness. Through the sacrament a gift of the Holy Spirit is given, that renews confidence and faith in God and strengthens against temptations to discouragement, despair and anguish at the thought of death and the struggle of death; it prevents from losing Christian hope in God's justice, truth and salvation.

The special grace of the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick has as its effects:

* the uniting of the sick person to the passion of Christ, for his own good and that of the whole Church;
* the strengthening, peace, and courage to endure in a Christian manner the sufferings of illness or old age;
* the forgiveness of sins, if the sick person was not able to obtain it through the sacrament of penance;
* the restoration of health, if it is conducive to the salvation of his soul;
* the preparation for passing over to eternal life."[14]

The duly blessed oil used in the sacrament is, as laid down in the Apostolic Constitution Sacram unctionem infirmorum, pressed from olives or from other plants.[15] It is blessed by the bishop of the diocese at the Chrism Mass he celebrates on Holy Thursday or on a day close to it. If oil blessed by the bishop is not available, the priest administering the sacrament may bless the oil, but only within the framework of the celebration.[16]

The Roman Rite Anointing of the Sick, as revised in 1972, puts greater stress than in the immediately preceding centuries on the sacrament's aspect of healing, and points to the place sickness holds in the normal life of Christians and its part in the redemptive work of the Church.[1] Canon law permits its administration to any Catholic who has reached the age of reason and is beginning to be put in danger by illness or old age,[17] unless the person in question obstinately persists in a manifestly grave sin.[18] "If there is any doubt as to whether the sick person has reached the use of reason, or is dangerously ill, or is dead, this sacrament is to be administered".[19] There is an obligation to administer it to the sick who, when they were in possession of their faculties, at least implicitly asked for it.[20] A new illness or a renewal or worsening of the first illness enables a person to receive the sacrament a further time.[21]

The sacrament can be administered within Mass, which is the preferred manner.[22] If the celebration takes place outside of Mass, it can be held in the home, in a hospital or institution, or in church.[23] The rite begins with a greeting by the priest, followed by sprinkling of all present with holy water, if deemed desirable, and a short instruction.[24] There follows a penitential act, as at the beginning of Mass.[25] If the sick person wishes to receive the sacrament of penance, it is preferable that the priest make himself available for this during a previous visit; but if the sick person must confess during the celebration of the sacrament of anointing, this confession replaces the penitential rite[26] A passage of Scripture is read, and the priest may give a brief explanation of the reading, a short litany is said, and the priest lays his hands on the head of the sick person and then says a prayer of thanksgiving over the already blessed oil or, if necessary, blesses the oil himself.[27]

The actual anointing of the sick person is done on the forehead, with the prayer "Through this holy anointing may the Lord in his love and mercy help you with the grace of the Holy Spirit", and on the hands, with the prayer "May the Lord who frees you from sin save you and raise you up". To each prayer the sick person, if able, responds: "Amen."[28]

It is permitted, in accordance with local culture and traditions and the condition of the sick person, to anoint other parts of the body in addition, such as the area of pain or injury, but without repeating the sacramental form.[28]

In case of emergency, a single anointing, not necessarily on the forehead, is sufficient.[29]

From the early Middle Ages until after the Second Vatican Council the sacrament was administered, within the Latin Church, only when death was approaching and, in practice, bodily recovery was not ordinarily looked for,[1] giving rise, as mentioned above to the name Extreme Unction (i.e. final anointing). The form used in the Roman Rite included anointing of seven parts of the body while saying (in Latin): "Through this holy unction and His own most tender mercy may the Lord pardon thee whatever sins or faults thou hast committed [quidquid deliquisti] by sight [by hearing, smell, taste, touch, walking, carnal delectation]", the last phrase corresponding to the part of the body that was touched; however, in the words of the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, "the unction of the loins is generally, if not universally, omitted in English-speaking countries, and it is of course everywhere forbidden in case of women".[7] Use of this form is still permitted under the conditions mentioned in article 9 of the 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificum.[30]

Liturgical rites of the Catholic Church, both Western and Eastern, other than the Roman, have a variety of other forms for celebrating the sacrament.

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:05

Eastern Orthodox Church （东正教会）

The teaching of the Eastern Orthodox Church on the Holy Mystery (sacrament) of Unction is similar to that of the Roman Catholic Church. However, the reception of the Mystery is not limited to those who are enduring physical illness. The Mystery is given for healing (both physical and spiritual) and for the forgiveness of sin. For this reason, it is normally required that one go to Confession before receiving Unction. Because it is a Sacred Mystery of the Church, only Orthodox Christians may receive it.

The solemn form of Eastern Christian anointing requires the ministry of seven priests. A table is prepared, upon which is set a vessel containing wheat. Into the wheat has been placed an empty shrine-lamp, seven candles, and seven anointing brushes. Candles are distributed for all to hold during the service. The rite begins with reading Psalm 50 (the great penitential psalm), followed by the chanting of a special Canon. After this, the senior priest (or bishop) pours pure olive oil and a small amount of wine into the shrine lamp, and says the "Prayer of the Oil", which calls upon God to "...sanctify this Oil, that it may be effectual for those who shall be anointed therewith, unto healing, and unto relief from every passion, every malady of the flesh and of the spirit, and every ill..." Then follow seven series of Epistles, Gospels, long prayers, Ektenias (litanies) and anointings. Each series is served by one of the seven priests in turn. The afflicted one is anointed with the sign of the cross on seven places: the forehead, the nostirls, the cheeks, the lips, the breast, the palms of both hands, and the back of the hands. After the last anointing, the Gospel Book is opened and placed with the writing down upon the head of the one who was anointed, and the senior priest reads the "Prayer of the Gospel". At the end, the anointed kisses the Gospel, the Cross and the right hands of the priests, receiving their blessing.

Anointing is considered to be a public rather than a private sacrament, and so as many of the faithful who are able are encouraged to attend. It should be celebrated in the church when possible, but if this is impossible, it may be served in the home or hospital room of the afflicted.

Unction in the Greek Orthodox Church and Churches of Hellenic custom (Melkite, Antiochian Orthodox, etc.) is usually given with a minimum of ceremony.

Anointing may also be given during Forgiveness Vespers and Great Week, on Great and Holy Wednesday, to all who are prepared. Those who receive Unction on Holy Wednesday should go to Holy Communion on Maundy Thursday. The significance of receiving Unction on Holy Wednesday is shored up by the hymns in the Triodion for that day, which speak of the sinful woman who anointed the feet of Christ (Matthew 26:6-16). Just as her sins were forgiven because of her penitence, so the faithful are exhorted to repent of their sins. In the same narrative, Jesus says, "in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial" (Id., v. 12), linking the unction with Christ's death and resurrection.

In some dioceses of the Russian Orthodox Church it is customary for the bishop to visit each parish or region of the diocese some time during Great Lent and give Anointing for the faithful, together with the local clergy.

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:07

Anglican churches （圣公会-英国国教）

The 1552 and later editions of the Book of Common Prayer omitted the form of anointing given in the original (1549) version in its Order for the Visitation of the Sick, but most twentieth-century Anglican prayer books do have anointing of the sick.[1]

Some Anglicans accept that anointing of the sick has a sacramental character and is therefore a channel of God's grace, seeing it as an "outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace" which is the definition of a sacrament. The Catechism of the Episcopal Church of the United States of America includes Unction of the Sick as among the "other sacramental rites" and it states that unction can be done with oil or simply with laying on of hands.[31] The rite of anointing is included in the Episcopal Church's "Ministration to the Sick" [32]

Article 25 of the Thirty-Nine Articles, speaking of the sacraments, says: "Those five commonly called Sacraments, that is to say, Confirmation, Penance, Orders, Matrimony, and extreme Unction, are not to be counted for Sacraments of the Gospel, being such as have grown partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles, partly are states of life allowed in the Scriptures; but yet have not like nature of Sacraments with Baptism, and the Lord's Supper, for that they have not any visible sign or ceremony ordained of God."[33]

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:08

Various Protestant communities （其他新教教派）

Lutheran communities have the practice of anointing the sick, or have always offered the rite since the Protestant Reformation with varying degrees of frequency. Among Protestants, anointing is provided in a wide variety of formats but, for the most part, however, it has fallen into disuse amongst Protestants.

Liturgical or Mainline Protestant communities (e.g. Presbyterian, Congregationalist/United Church of Christ, Methodist, Lutheran, etc.) all have official yet often optional liturgical rites for the anointing of the sick partly on the model of Western pre-Reformation rites. Anointing need not be associated with grave illness or imminent danger of death.

Protestant communities generally vary widely on the sacramental character of anointing. Non-traditional Protestant communities generally use the term "ordinance" rather than "Sacrament" Most Mainline Protestants have two sacraments, the Eucharist and Baptism (though some Lutherans add confession), deeming Anointing only a humanly-instituted rite. In Charismatic and Pentecostal communities, anointing of the sick is a frequent practice and has been an important ritual in these communities since the respective movements were founded in the 19th and 20th centuries. These communities use extemporaneous forms of administration at the discretion of the minister, who need not be a pastor. There is minimal ceremony attached to its administration. Usually, several people physically touch (laying on of hands) the recipient during the anointing. It may be part of a worship service with the full assembly of the congregation present, but may also be done in more private settings, such as homes or hospital rooms. Pentecostals believe that physical healing is within the anointing and so there is often great expectation or at least great hope that a miraculous cure or improvement will occur when someone is being prayed over for healing.

In Evangelical and Fundamentalist communities, anointing of the sick is performed with varying degrees of frequency, although laying on of hands may be more common than anointing. The rite would be similar to that of Pentecostals in its simplicity, but would usually not have the same emotionalism attached to it. Unlike Pentecostals, Evangelicals and Fundamentalists generally do not believe that physical healing is within the anointing. Therefore, God may or may not grant physical healing to the sick. The healing conferred by anointing is thus a spiritual event that may not result in physical recovery.

Some Protestant US military chaplains carry the Roman Rite version of the Anointing of the Sick with them for use if called upon to assist wounded or dying soldiers who are Catholics. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches consider invalid as a sacrament the administration of Anointing of the Sick by such chaplains, who in the eyes of those Churches are not validly ordained priests. The rite performed by them is thus seen as having the same by no means negligible value of any other form of prayer offered for the sick or dying.

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:10

以上资料可以看出，涂油礼始终为各基督教派所采用。并无废除一说。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:47

看清楚了，是充满信心的祈祷拯救了病人。那么为什么要涂油呢？
3 C+ i4 ], X. D5 m+ i. r* ~上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-19 11:02

哈哈哈！是啊，为什么要涂油呢？因为“圣经”“新约”是这么要求的啊！

怎么，你的智慧比你家主的智慧要深远么？既然你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”提出抹油的要求，想必是有深意的，是不是？

“圣经”“新约”的要求，你有资格有智慧判断哪一条是胡扯哪一条应该遵守么？你好谦卑啊。你简直就是“神”嘛。

哈哈。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:48

以上资料可以看出，涂油礼始终为各基督教派所采用。并无废除一说。
0 H8 t- F) m$ \) j5 Q* u( O/ f上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-19 11:10

是啊，“并无废除一说”。有多少基督徒生病了的时候还遵守“圣经”“新约”的要求抹油啊？

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:52

是啊，“并无废除一说”。有多少基督徒生病了的时候还遵守“圣经”“新约”的要求抹油啊？
4 m) r9 L z7 f/ {: ^嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-19 11:48

傻瓜就是傻瓜。全世界有20亿基督徒，你问有多少生病了还遵守，根本无法统计。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 10:52

哈哈哈！是啊，为什么要涂油呢？因为“圣经”“新约”是这么要求的啊！/ H' L# F1 ?3 B9 W0 S6 H

8 R9 t2 s% D! w( [! o怎么，你的智慧比你家主的智慧要深远么？既然你家主子通过“圣经”“新约”提出抹油的要求，想必是有深意的，是不是？% ]# C3 T5 j" U" D- f2 i

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3 ~+ ]* @5 G1 ]5 f' U嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-19 11:47

真是蠢材，明明写明了，各教会依旧在遵守涂油礼。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-19 11:33

本帖最后由嘁哩喀喳于 2010-10-19 12:34 编辑

傻瓜就是傻瓜。全世界有20亿基督徒，你问有多少生病了还遵守，根本无法统计。, G* y/ \6 u0 r& { n1 b' V
上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-19 11:52

呵呵，你生病了的时候遵照“圣经”“新约”的要求请教会的长老来给你抹油/祷告了吗？

做人，要诚实一点，不要太耶稣了。现在，绝大多数的基督徒们生病了的时候都不找教会的长老来抹油了，对不对？

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 13:04

”绝大多数的基督徒们生病了的时候都不找教会的长老来抹油了，对不对？“
看来你又在说谎了，20亿基督徒的绝大部分怎么也超过10亿，你调查过了？？？
真是说谎成性。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-19 14:51

”绝大多数的基督徒们生病了的时候都不找教会的长老来抹油了，对不对？“
1 i) r& Q2 v$ x看来你又在说谎了，20亿基督徒的绝大部分怎么也超过10亿，你调查过了？？？& R( E" d8 K" v9 m& D
真是说谎成性。
3 g% X* [4 v! W- E) m& g/ `上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-19 14:04

统计学懂不懂？抽样调查就行了。

再次真诚建议你去检测一下你的智商。你卖弄你的愚蠢，丢人的是你啊。

你生病的时候遵照“圣经”的要求找教会的长老来抹油/祷告了吗？有吗？你怎么不敢回答？

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 14:57

统计学懂不懂？抽样调查就行了。
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* X0 r, r6 H; a# r8 ~( x再次真诚建议你去检测一下你的智商。你卖弄你的愚蠢，丢人的是你啊。1 b5 p4 r7 I. ]" X$ F/ b

2 x& R- u5 Z+ `1 m7 @* \& }; R3 `8 W/ S你生病的时候遵照“圣经”的要求找教会的长老来抹油/祷告了吗？有吗？你怎么不敢回答？
9 }/ l5 Y+ e! c7 Q. e1 s嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-19 15:51

你的蠢材才不懂统计学。一个20亿的群体，样本需要多少才有意义？你说说看。你再说说你的抽样方法，看看你个说谎的家伙是怎么做统计的。
就看你的德行，就不可能去做调查。除了撒谎，你会什么啊。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-19 16:53

你的蠢材才不懂统计学。一个20亿的群体，样本需要多少才有意义？你说说看。你再说说你的抽样方法，看看你个说谎的家伙是怎么做统计的。. i3 ~, E+ B U0 m+ w
就看你的德行，就不可能去做调查。除了撒谎，你会什么啊。% f: w" E, d, X1 B% v0 v( T; T
上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-19 15:57

哈哈哈！你说需要多少样本才有意义？

不懂装懂，笑死人了。

告诉你，需要多少样本是由需要估计的概率（这里是百分比）以及 confidence interval 决定的。

满嘴胡说八道，丢死人了。真不愧是基督徒啊！耶稣张着个大嘴巴胡吹的臭毛病你的确学到手了。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 20:38

什么笑死人。笑你自己罢了。你说说你做过调查没有。what is ur sample size ?
耶稣到不吹牛，只是你个撒谎精在吹牛。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-19 20:39

哈哈哈！你说需要多少样本才有意义？; z& [ s/ Q D0 o, b/ g6 D

! g, A8 G& s& P& b) ]' O% b不懂装懂，笑死人了。
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告诉你，需要多少样本是由需要估计的概率（这里是百分比）以及 confidence interval 决定的。
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满嘴胡说八道，丢死人了。真不愧是基督徒啊！ ...2 r1 D8 o. G. g
嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-19 17:53

还confidence interval，你要不就全是英文，要不就写中文。卖弄什么啊，蠢材

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-19 21:42

还confidence interval，你要不就全是英文，要不就写中文。卖弄什么啊，蠢材
3 B# d0 m# P4 B" E上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-19 21:39

丢人现眼了，还能像你这么嘴硬，真不愧是基督徒啊！

呵呵。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-20 08:27

怎么不继续了？

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-20 09:12

正面回答问题，你做了调查没有？怎么调查的，电话还是问卷，还是网络？样本多少 ?

据说你还是读了几天书的，没学到做人不能

说谎吗？

路德使女 · 发表于 2010-10-20 09:31

Thank you, Brother Tiger, let's pray to let the 撒但 go away!

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-20 10:48

正面回答问题，你做了调查没有？怎么调查的，电话还是问卷，还是网络？样本多少 ? / y- `' \- Q. q4 I2 a

" G3 n2 ^& [4 [: d据说你还是读了几天书的，没学到做人不能说谎吗？0 b3 `! ^3 L& l# G
上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-20 10:12

哈哈哈！我怎么调查的旧部透露了。你这种不懂装懂全凭嘴硬撑着的人，我何必跟你讲？

其实问题很简单，我的调查结论，你很容易验证的：你自己问问你周围的“弟兄姐妹”们，看看有多少“弟兄姐妹”生病的时候遵守“圣经”请人来抹油了？

不要自欺欺人了。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-20 10:49

Thank you, Brother Tiger, let's pray to let the 撒但 go away!
9 |9 A* E& m- C$ }路德使女发表于 2010-10-20 10:31

哈哈哈！刚信不久吧？你祷告吧，你会发现你的祷告一点用处都没有。

醒醒吧！基督教是骗人的，基督教的本质是邪恶的，你不要自己骗自己了。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-20 12:46

哈哈哈！我怎么调查的旧部透露了。你这种不懂装懂全凭嘴硬撑着的人，我何必跟你讲？8 C) o) `9 y0 N7 g) V9 K0 _) G

- }1 w/ ^9 i1 S! X6 X其实问题很简单，我的调查结论，你很容易验证的：你自己问问你周围的“弟兄姐妹”们，看看有多少“弟兄姐妹”生病的时候遵 ...
% s# O" l- A# g x: V, x+ b) b嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-20 11:48

怕是透露不出来吧。本来就不过是说谎而已。你们这类人的德性就是这样的。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-20 12:48

哈哈哈！刚信不久吧？你祷告吧，你会发现你的祷告一点用处都没有。
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醒醒吧！基督教是骗人的，基督教的本质是邪恶的，你不要自己骗自己了。" B: H6 `% D# i+ {- g
嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-20 11:49

有用没用，是人家自己的事，要你咸吃萝卜淡操心。
你这个谎精，本质就不是什么好东西，还是自己在家骗自己吧。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-20 18:30

怕是透露不出来吧。本来就不过是说谎而已。你们这类人的德性就是这样的。( L/ H" R9 i0 t; U
上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-20 13:46

其实问题很简单，我的调查结论，你很容易验证的：你自己问问你周围的“弟兄姐妹”们，看看有多少“弟兄姐妹”生病的时候遵守“圣经”请人来抹油了？

不要自欺欺人了。

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-20 19:00

真是少见的皮厚。明明自己说了谎，还要别人自己去验证。真是人贱无敌。

嘁哩喀喳 · 发表于 2010-10-20 21:30

真是少见的皮厚。明明自己说了谎，还要别人自己去验证。真是人贱无敌。
& V5 J+ w* J3 d& u7 d2 J$ f上山打老虎发表于 2010-10-20 20:00

哈哈哈！你为什么不敢去验证呢？你自己问问你周围的“弟兄姐妹”们，看看有多少“弟兄姐妹”生病的时候遵守“圣经”请人来抹油了？

现场增加一个样本好不好？请问你生病的时候遵守“圣经”的要求请教会的长老来抹油/祷告了吗？

上山打老虎 · 发表于 2010-10-21 07:42

哈哈哈！你为什么不敢去验证呢？你自己问问你周围的“弟兄姐妹”们，看看有多少“弟兄姐妹”生病的时候遵守“圣经”请人来抹油了？
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嘁哩喀喳发表于 2010-10-20 22:30

遗憾的是，本人没生过大病。所以祈祷有之，抹油没有。我知道你们这些傻瓜又会说，小病为什么不抹油。
对你们这些蠢材来说，圣经需要几百万页，把一切都写得明明白白。甚至你个傻瓜一天喝几杯水都要写明白。

有一件事是确凿无疑的，你是个撒谎精。

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