合同工和正式工，如果最后收入相等，工资比例应该是多少？

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summer_tina 发表于 2013-3-14 17:10
嗯，很多牛人。的确是。

8 Z0 x5 e( ~( {! U* }+ D当然，也有混的啦

( g& E. u3 Y' S0 d4 r* M1 j我看到的合同工还都有些本事，大小之分，混子还没看到过。

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marie 发表于 2013-3-14 21:31
+ K# {; g; v3 B% a- t4 `  G, d' qmy landlord's wife, she is a contractor( PDMS designer) in an engineering company, pay is very good, ...

: R6 L" s. ]) W: K; ~5 F7 n那么你是没有试用期吗？

marie

Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel insurance
card, if I visit china, US, cover accident. My medicine is 100% cover, I got them. the glasses $250, sate shoe, $150, message $500/year, foot pads, $400, clean teeth and filled, 100% cover, since tomorrow,
, T& O9 t. F* t3 ~+ ]I will enjoy my benefits, I select the Sunday overtime. Normally, 3 months, but I worked 1 week, they gave
9 {% Y. _% J5 f: l! d( S/ rme these card, filled RRSP form, I never ask them, interview, I only ask wage, other I didn't ask.About low EQ

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-14 08:32
还有心态，运气。而往往心态会影响运气。

, c* W3 F# y- e你这里说的能力，不光是技能方面的能力，更重要的是EQ的能力 ...

( O4 j6 B0 E% c9 {8 b7 CIn canada, there are many opportunities to test EQ.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 17:51
Now I have enjoied the benefits, I have 2 cards, 1 great -west life benefit card, other is travel in ...

4 @4 z8 i2 g0 d2 ]' H其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 18:33
) z- R& K3 L  r其实,这就是employee的缺点,强制消费.

* x, F# b+ G& R) Lno 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
I like vwry much, it is free, only RRSP reduce from my pay, employer pay 6%.
Tomorrow, I will do message, nothing pay, I show my benefit card, they take your NO,
; i4 g/ r% Q0 a; ]) m: ]& iask insurance company pay, no me!
Why not? I go to Wal mart, $250 plus exam fees, all the insurance company pay!

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自己做，啥都没有的路过！

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 18:43
no 强制消费, 100% cover, I don't need pay anything, insurance company pay,
0 C% j0 T, W1 V0 I: SI like vwry much, it i ...

你还是没有理解我的话.

/ K. k, a5 \8 ?, [' `* [( kContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.
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而employee把该到手的钱变成这些福利了,这不是强迫消费是什么?

象这些,给了我,我都不会去消费的,那换成钱,到自己口袋里,想怎么花就怎么花.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
1 X( D9 V* Y! k8 n& j2 x+ s5 `$ r你还是没有理解我的话.
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9 C( s+ b" J% A% _" e6 O5 cContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

7 t  V+ C3 i/ Z, h6 T( Qclasses, every 2 years I must change, RRSP I buy it every year,  I every day eat medicine, clean teeth
! \8 S2 O& W1 S9 j" g, ?every 6 months, filled, I changed 6 teeth, teeth treat, expensive. message, facing I like to do. If i happened
2 b3 I; ^- X6 ?2 C% J9 qaccident, my daughter will get compensation. no more charge me, I like. I enjoy.
In the future, i would like to try a contractor position. Now, they need me, I keep this position.
how long, I don't know.

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.

& b5 h% V+ g1 Q0 ~Contrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must pay by myself. I had heavy sick, on time eating medicine, keep to work, health is the more and more better.

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

# E) c! r+ a% e6 V姐姐的这种情况，不适合做CONTRACTOR，真的！

marie

my positions always are perm! my best position are in Wichita,KS, US, manufacturing engineer, in aerospace
( m- p$ z1 V6 n$ Iarea, because of I have not US greencard ,US citizen, I cann't work long term! In Houston, design engineer
( ?. z4 D) p5 T- M) Y+ i: A& ^a single office, for my daughter, I quited this good job, come back AB, driving a car about 4 days. Then,
+ @' m  |( f; B; x/ ycome in Ontario, picked up my daughter to Edmonton from Ontario.
. E; N5 B. G( s, ?) A10 years ago, I was a labor in KUS canada, 12 hours shift, 6:00am to 6pm, or 6pm to 6am, after  6 months I moved to winsor, KUS closed down! In Windsor I started professional position.
% V- R+ I1 o$ j! XNow, I am the better than 10 years ago. passed many difficults, I still are health, happy, modern and young( look young)
: O% n% O2 w- J- A2 o# HThanks! lovely small girl!

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marie 发表于 2013-3-15 20:14
; q2 A& C) H* R2 w# ^5 f四十不惑? maybe you are too young, I must eat 2 medicines every day. if no more benefits, I must p ...

- x3 F" T3 W6 G, G我不年轻了.不过我每年花在看病吃药上,不到100加币.其实也很多年没看病了,连体检都不去.

洗牙是回国再洗,我受不了这边的,洗一次牙,都要让你走两趟.

象你的身体情况,真不应该老换工作,每换一次工作,就得迎接新的挑战和压力.应该找一份比较轻松的工作.

marie

current benefits come from of 换工作, if there are no 挑战和压力, the company never hire me.
I cann't show my experiences. Next step, they will train me to learn new software( 1 week), I will lose
the good chance. Don't worried about 老年痴呆症. Life is in moving
Tomorrow, I still work( overtime) 10 hours(7am-5pm), I will edit some programs and setting.

量子风水

" g* P$ I% g9 i: \$ ]9 F: l合同工与非合同工，是看自己的成熟程度。如果成熟程度高，又不等钱用，合同工是优于长工的。我公司的创办人之一，已经到退休年龄，他就是做contractor。他可能是三五个月都在世界各地旅游了，偶尔才回公司一次。他是远程办公，用网络通过安全卡来做测试。
我在卡城的同事，也是喜欢做contractor，他是‘从来没有在家闲上二个月的’，工资都不低于10万一年。
这与他的职业性质有关，他是做C#之类高级程序研发，这种职业面宽。而我就学不了他，我的专业面窄，是不宜做contractor，只能先后senior engineer/lead努力，以后再图其他。

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同时与marie一样，在专业领域有相似成功，也曾经长期单身的女性，但即有不同的处世方式，并且应用得成功，而且福泽下一代，这种类型的女性，还是值得佩服与学习。
印象深的一次，是她家邻居有个冷气机，夏天时噪音很大。她不是去投诉人家，而是用想用一种和平的途径来解决纷争--显然，邻居并非有意，这是可以用和平方式解决的前提。这样做当然成功，邻居将冷气机的防护罩去掉，噪音就很小，而夏天热天也没有几天，所以不伤和气。
4 |# s6 u- @% _' X, V/ j4 `5 ~0 U世界不是你一个人的，即使是毛公这样的政治家，有杀子之仇恨的美国，都要建交，所以适当使用妥协，也是一种很好的途径。
" B; k) g! @8 e& z当生活中没有那么多纷争时，人生病的机会就少。

marie

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八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-15 19:19
你还是没有理解我的话.
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3 S1 n- r% _# eContrator没有这些福利,但把这些都兑换成钱拿了.

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' v3 s" \5 K) J( Z3 jThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
; }% X9 c( ^4 k6 o+ s; hbecause of I never become a contractor, let me know about contractor knowledge please
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Dental Benefits Summary:
4 e$ H  D: |+ Y2 G1 l. SBenefit Type         Payable At
       
* Z0 r' K( M" R! [Routine               
        Basic                 100%
; W  q/ F. t* J9 t        Endodontics                 100%
* r) J+ B9 j: Q4 q        Periodontics                 100%
* V% Q/ |1 O4 ~/ s1 \        Preventative                 100%
: ]$ N- R8 w0 P8 N       
        Global Medical Assistance         Covered

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marie 发表于 2013-3-16 15:56
; F" {" F, N) dThese are from my account details( my benefits), please compare your contractor details,
because  ...

谢谢你啊.
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还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.
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好好享受这些福利啊.如果觉得合适和足够的话,就别再换了,公司给这么好这么多的福利,也是为了能留住人才啊.

至于Contractor的细节,我也不想多说,其实也没什么好说,你列出来得所有福利,一项都没有,就简简单单的,每小时是多少钱就多少钱.

量子风水

中国人口是13亿，而加拿大是3千万，这种差异，使得在加拿大，有几十人的公司，就是中型公司了；有几个工程师的团队，就可以服务一个中型公司。这是在优势上，不能用中国的标准来衡量加拿大的标准。

所以，在这里，如果一家中有两个或以上的同一类别的developers, 就有可以形成一定的气候，可以外接一些简单的程序开发项目；如果再联系另一家，就可以做更大一些的项目。而contractor是向这个方向努力的最简便起步途径，这种contractor就是一种'自雇‘性质的管理。
成功是经验、管理与技能的三重积累。人家有这种条件，不但有两个或以上的程序员，而且朋友圈中也有许多程序员，从而可能产生能量聚合，这就当然向这个方向努力。

marie

八千里路云和月 发表于 2013-3-16 16:20
谢谢你啊.

" U0 M) j$ L' c5 @/ ~2 P9 X还真没见过给这么多Benefits的公司呢,你这个位置肯定很重要,你在公司也肯定很重要.

  G) `: N8 B* g+ zI will, thanks!
I was a small engineer in china, same as me in china, too many ,too many! I never did team leader, never
# h& O6 W3 H/ _/ ^, Lmanagement.